"There ain't no damn Republicans here!"

I attended a gay wedding this weekend.

And, there was only ONE big difference in it.

The big difference is, THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE!

Since I live in a very progressive cosmopolitan state, I actually have been attending gay weddings and commitment ceremonies for years.

It's been fun to watch the progression; some of the early ones were kind of quirky affairs, where as the ones I have been to this year have been indistinguishable from the straight weddings.

But, I'm not really doing a diary about gay marriage?

I'm doing a diary because, I'm PISSED AT PUMAS!

Here's my problem with you folks who tell me you're helping the progressive agenda by supporting a Republic, ANY Republic for President.  

I get you are mad as hell at the treatment of Senator Clinton.

I get you are mad as hell at the misogyny and rampant sexism in the press.

I know many have waited their whole lives to see a woman President.

So, I get it.

What I don't get is, voting for the Republic party?

These are the people that EMBRACE Sexism, Homophobia, Racism!

Hell, it's just about codified in their party DNA!

Just in CASE you missed it, here is the Republican Party Platform Statement from 2004:

  Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage

We strongly support a Constitutional amendment that fully protects marriage, and we [oppose] forcing states to recognize other living arrangements as equivalent to marriage. The well-being of children is best accomplished [when] nurtured by their mother & father anchored by the bonds of marriage. We believe that legal recognition and the accompanying benefits afforded couples should be preserved for that unique and special union of one man and one woman which has historically been called marriage.
Source: 2004 Republican Party Platform, p. 85

Oh, and in case you think McCain is better then this platform, just remember, he supported the 2006 ballot initiative in AZ that would have banned even equal rights for domestic partnerships!  He may speak mainstream on the stump, but he votes with Dobson when the chips are down.

So, you can whine all you want about Obama backtracking on Social Issues, and, yeah, I know he is NOT out for Gay Marriage, but I believe one thing.

Obama will drag this country to the left, and with it, the vast majority of the American people.

The kids that are going to vote for Obama will someday be where we are, us boomers who basically are the ruling classes.

They will vote for Obama, they will vote for the democrat after him, and at SOME POINT down the line, A DEMOCRAT will push through legislation for gay marriage.

Not a Republican. Not the Party of John McCain.  Democrats will do it.

So, when I was at my friends wedding, he made a comment when he was thanking all those who gathered to celebrate he and his partners day. He said:

"I know there are many people who still object to what happened here today...."

One of his friends shouted:

"There ain't no damn Republicans here!"



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Weird question, sort of apropos: (none / 0)

Has DOMA - and particularly the part of DOMA that seems to run afoul of the "full faith and credit" clause of the Constitution - ever been challenged in court?

If not, then it's entirely possible given MA in 2004 and CA in 2008 (and, G-d willing, other states in the near future) that President Obama will be appointing the SCOTUS judges who make that decision too.

How awesome would it be if the state of Alabama had to recognize a gay marriage from California?


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by mistersite on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 04:35:48 PM EST

Re: Weird question, sort of apropos: (none / 0)

Great question.

I have read a lot of "Oh, the USSC appts are a ruse, the Democrats would block any Pro-life judges" as the rational for the Puma McCain voters.

But, there is SO MUCH more then just Roe repeal heading for the court in the next decade.

No doubt WHO McCain wants to appoint, Federalist Society approved clones in the Scalia mold (or mould if  you prefer.)


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by WashStateBlue on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 04:42:13 PM EST
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Re: Weird question, sort of apropos: (2.00 / 1)

How awesome would it be if the state of Alabama had to recognize a gay marriage from California?

It would quickly create strong blue majorities in the South, as many heads suddenly explode.


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by freedom78 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 04:48:06 PM EST
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there is a public policy exception (none / 0)

to the FFC clause.  So if one state did not allow marriages between second cousins, for example, and another state did, the first state could refuse to recognize the FFC clause under the public policy exception.

Similarly, I'd imagine a same-sex marriage would fall into the public policy exception.


by JJE on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 04:51:47 PM EST
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Re: Weird question, sort of apropos: (none / 0)

I am pretty sure that DOMA doesn't violate the Full Faith and Credit Clause, but I haven't undertaken any kind of technical analysis. However, typically states aren't required to honor licensing decisions (as opposed to court orders) from other states.

A state's decision to recognize marriage is based on its policy decision to provide advantages to those in certain kinds of relationships. (I'm now ignoring whethert the equal protection clause places limitations on how this advantage is distributed; I'll touch on that below.) I don't see why any state is bound to go along with the other states policy decision to issue a license or conditional benefit. If state A decides to provide some type of welfare to person p, then state B doesn't have to provide the same welfare to person p if he or she moves to state B. That's not what full faith and credit is meant to accomplish. It doesn't force one state to adopt the policy of another.

Moreover, longstanding precedent holds that a state need not recognize a marriage entered into in another state with different marriage laws if those laws are contrary to strongly held local public policy. By way of example, this "public policy doctrine" has been applied to foreign marriages between first cousins, persons of different races, and minors. The granting of a marriage license has always been treated differently than a court judgment, which reflects the application of another state's policy and is entitled to full interstate recognition. Entitlement to licenses and similar policy-driven benefits do not follow someone from one state to another and, accordingly, do not require interstate recognition.

All that said, I do think that state laws banning gay marriage are unconstitutional on the grounds that they violate the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. However, if a court proceeds from the opposite position, then I don't think it would force one state to recognize the policy decision of another.

Again, though, there are surely some complications and DOMA-specific details that I'm not considering here, which might very well change my opinion. But, looking at the issue in general, I'm inclined to believe that a court wouldn't require states to honor the marriage policy of another state.


by DPW on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 05:01:00 PM EST
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I know this will sound confrontational but... (none / 0)

I have to say it anyway.

Since when do we care about the feelings of a candidate?  Or how they were treated during a primary?  If the answer is NOW and because Hillary is a woman, then THAT is sexist!

I don't recall all this pissing and moaning for months on end about anyone else who finished SECOND in a primary before.  I mean, damn, Hillary lost.  Sorry guys and gals who supported her, it's a fact.

So, I guess, if I have to read one more diary talking about "getting why PUMAs are pissed" my head will explode.  That's why I liked the diary about "Getting over yourselves" so much.

And I'm going to rec this diary because you're 100% right about everything even though I don't think we need to deal with PUMA feelings anymore.  Frankly, if there really are voters out there who think electing McCain will forward their agenda, I'm damn glad not to associate with them in any way.  I hope and pray I always vote on the other side of issues as immature whiners.


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by SpanishFly on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 05:25:32 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Rec'd!


by MeganLocke on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:53:05 PM EST


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